Anyone ever heard of Salvia *NWS*

[GSXMatt]

My buddy did it right next to me one time and freaked out because he thought I was trying to kill him, but actually I just got out of the car.

Salvia is not worth it.

[HaredX]

Pure ignorance in this thread. Salvia is a legal hallucinogen and if properly studied and thought out before use(like all drugs should be) there is nothing wrong with it. If any of you have or know someone that has smoked it and had a bad trip it's because they were stupid and didn't do the proper research before trying it. I make salvia in my home and when used properly and in the right conditions, it can be a very mind opening trip. Salvia should never be smoked in dark, uncomfortable places and there should be no more than 2-3 people with you. You should be in a well-lit area in a surrounding that is very familiar and comfortable to you(in your room on your bed, in a room on a couch, etc.) Don't knock something you haven't tried just because you heard bad things about it. Also, to the person who said that anything that makes you act like that is bound to be harmful to your body, salvia poses no medical risks if used in moderation and it is not addictive either.

Also for those of you that think it's too expensive, stop buying it from head shops and porno shops, first of all, the labels on the packages in stores always say they are a much higher extract than they actually are, for instance I bought "40x" from a local headshop and it the effect it had on me was NOTHING compared to the 5x that I made myself. Secondly, I made an ounce of 20x extract from $15 worth of salvia leaves whereas a gram normally costs $40+ in stores

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

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[AJ]

Originally Posted by NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE

OWNED!!!11111!!!!!!1111!!!!! KAZAM! I'm done, let's close this thread admins.

One more fucked up post like this and you're getting a 2 week minimal vacation from the site. KAZAM that bitch!

[AJ]

How long has this stuff been around? It would seem like it's just not the type of thing that anyone can use legally and walk around in public without possibly walking into traffic, or even getting behind a wheel from what I've seen in the vids and read on here. So I'm curious about it's background.

Oh, and thank the lord above that someone is able to come onto this site and make a 1st post in such an educated way. HaredX... thanks!

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

Well, I don't think that HaredX meant that things like Coke or Heroin are used to open your mind, in fact I have no fucking clue why that nasty shit was ever invented. Thinngs like hallucinogens are used for that; that's what the 60s' were all about man. Coke, Meth, Heroin, etc is just fucked up and those are some of those things that we wish we could uninvent. And yes, other drugs are bad if you do them too much too, but you don't see things like towns falling apart to shit over something like Marijuana or Acid, usually it's those other ones.

[HaredX]

Salvia has been around for quite a long time but it is very unknown for the most part. I learned about it by watching a news special on it on a local news channel. I have seen someone smoke it right in front of a cop before and there isn't shit they can do about it, but last I heard they are trying to make legislation to make it illegal.

[A//// Guy]

It may be legal but I dont think it should be from what I can see it does to people. It huffing paint illegal because it seems to do the same shit?

I totally agree with tauni for once And all the things that Lampshade posts are retarded, so this thread makes perfect sense.

[Halon]

I have a few friends who's lives have been negetively affected due to Marijuana. Marijuana didn't ruin them all by itself, it's the fact that they started with Marijuana, and that just cracked their shell into the life of illegal drugs. They couldn't just stick with Marijauans, a year later it was crank, then acid, then meth. I've seen what happened to them, and formed my own opinion on using illegal drugs. I could care less what you guys and your friends do, as long as it doesn't affect me. But you won't find me taking anything illegal, or even LEGAL in this case.

[tim]

Originally Posted by ju-on

I have a few friends who's lives have been negetively affected due to Marijuana. Marijuana didn't ruin them all by itself, it's the fact that they started with Marijuana, and that just cracked their shell into the life of illegal drugs. They couldn't just stick with Marijauans, a year later it was crank, then acid, then meth. I've seen what happened to them, and formed my own opinion on using illegal drugs. I could care less what you guys and your friends do, as long as it doesn't affect me. But you won't find me taking anything illegal, or even LEGAL in this case.

Anyone who says pot isnt a gateway drug is full of shit. I have and am still dealing with friends whos lives have been ruined by drugs. I have one friend that I am in contact with from my childhood, all the others turned to drugs. First pot, then coke/crack, then cooking meth and doing heroin. In the last year 3 of my child hood friends have had their mugshots on the front page of the local paper because of it too.

Anyway, back to Salvia, I dont want any. I will stick to my beer too!

[Black97civic]

Originally Posted by tim

Anyone who says pot isnt a gateway drug is full of shit.

Well, technically it isn't. The reason it is said to be a gateway drug is because of the lifestyle of the people surrounding it. There is no physical link between smoking pot and doing hard drugs. Alcohol and tobacco could also be called gateway drugs, because more people who smoke/drink end up using hard drugs, but not everyone does, so you have to see the other factors.

What made them do hard drugs, smoking a joint, or hanging out with the people who smoked the joint with them, and happened to have some coke/heroin that night. Catch my drift?

Edit: BTW, I'm not a pothead, nor am I defending/promoting pot smoking, just clearing up some misconseptions about the whole gateway drug thing...

[tim]

Originally Posted by Blue89Quest

What made them do hard drugs, smoking a joint, or hanging out with the people who smoked the joint with them, and happened to have some coke/heroin that night. Catch my drift?

But what did the people that do hard drugs start out on? Pot is cool(to the user) until you get sick of it and want to try something else. I have heard both sides and I still think that if people dont try pot they will more than likely never try coke of anything else. Yes it is probably the people that surround them that are the culprits and not the drug itself but I still think people get sick of the pot feeling and want to try something else.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by Blue89Quest

Well, technically it isn't. The reason it is said to be a gateway drug is because of the lifestyle of the people surrounding it. There is no physical link between smoking pot and doing hard drugs...

Yes there is no physical link, let me share with you all the reason that pot IS a gateway drug.
Think of it this way. A girl or guy loses their virginity. Now that they have gone over that first hill of having sex for the first time they realise that sex isnt that big of deal as its made out to be. so they do it more and more and start trying new positions, and eventually they are left with a sore ass. Even though there is no PHYSICAL evidence that sex is a gateway to new positions its human nature that if you "try" something for the first time, you are likely to "try" other things for the first time.
Same thing with pot, once you smoke it and realise that its not that big of deal you look for the next way to get high, although there is no physical evidence, human nature is all the evidence you need.

[Black97civic]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Yes there is no physical link, let me share with you all the reason that pot IS a gateway drug.

No, that is exactly why it isn't a gateway drug. That is the real definition fo a gateway drug, not what the "propaganda" of the war on drugs would have you believe. Alcohol and nicotine are actually more likely to be considered gateway drugs by definition, but since they are legal, you won't hear the government say that.

[Tauni]

For once I side with blue89quest. While its not chemically a gate way drug, it gets you in to much of a fucked up mind state.

And Haredx: There are exceptions to every rule. Look at the majority of pot heads? Social low lives is what most of them are. And how do I know? Because they were my friends. And they were all social leeches as well. But after graduation everything becomes clear of who is going where and why.

1quick4: Pot is harder to get and more expensive. How would a bum afford it? One more brilliant comment brought to you in part by Stoners of America.

Tim has it right on the tip of the needle, too. Why ruin your life with this shit? Its not worth it. Smoke a little pot for fun every once and awhile... Fine. Get addicted and let it lead you else where. Not fine. To me addictions show no self strength.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by T-T-Tauni

1quick4: Pot is harder to get and more expensive. How would a bum afford it?

You completely missed the point of that post Tauni but I guess it's OK since it wasn't directed at you

Originally Posted by T-T-Tauni

One more brilliant comment brought to you in part by Stoners of America.

And one more snide ass remark from an alcoholic harlotte of a teenage girl.

[HaredX]

you are all retarded.

[Jakey]

Originally Posted by HaredX

I have been smoking for 7 years

You've been smoking pot since you were 12? Impressive.

Originally Posted by HaredX

I have tons of friends who smoke pot on a regular basis(3-5 times a week) all of which are very driven and successful, they all have steady jobs and perfect attendance at work. My parents make $200,000/year combined and they both smoke pot on a regular basis, one is a lawyer and the other is a sales manager. I myself smoke multiple times a week and I am a bartender and make enough money to own my own condo, you guys can say whatever you want about drugs but saying that all stoners are low-life addicts that are going nowhere in life is just the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. Pot is in NO WAY WHATSOEVER a gateway drug, there are no phyiscal addictions at all associated to smoking pot despite what propaganda might tell you. I have been smoking for 7 years and pot is the only drug I use on a regular basis I have never and will never get into any hardcore drugs. All of you non-smokers don't have any foundation for any of your points you just personally don't agree with it so to you it has to be wrong, you all need to go watch Penn and Teller's Bullshit: War on Drugs and get some facts. Penn has never smoked pot in his entire life and he has never drank a sip of alcohol in his life but at least he is willing to do some research to find that marijuana is a harmless drug and by making laws against use and posession of it we are only creating more crime and murder by creating a black market.

[Tauni]

Originally Posted by HaredX

you are all retarded.

Then why again are you here? Personally I think we are all pretty cool. Maybe you are the retarded one.

[Jakey]

Just in case it isn't obvious, my last post shows what HaredX originally posted before editing it out.