March for health care!

[FattyBoomBatty]

Government control of the roads and highways isn't so bad, you all seem to like it fairly well. Everything that Obama has done so far has been met with great criticism and hate, yet when implemented, people don't really have a problem with it because it doesn't take away from their lives or impact them negatively (at least not anywhere near as much as fox news or rush limbaugh would have you believe). Yes, I know it's still is early in his presidency, but that's how it seems to me.

[tpunx99GSX]

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

Government control of the roads and highways isn't so bad, you all seem to like it fairly well. Everything that Obama has done so far has been met with great criticism and hate, yet when implemented, people don't really have a problem with it because it doesn't take away from their lives or impact them negatively (at least not anywhere near as much as fox news or rush limbaugh would have you believe). Yes, I know it's still is early in his presidency, but that's how it seems to me.

Thats exactly how it is. Fox News and all of the republicans have met him with such hate and yet he has tried to reach out to the Republicans and others yet it doesnt matter what he does he will be wrong and wont ever do right.
Its like the speech he is planning on doing at schools and once he announced he was going to schools republicans were like "OMG HES TRYING TO BRAINWASH OUR CHILDREN!!!" And then he releases the agenda and its all about telling kids to stay in school. And they come out and say "Well... um no matter what i dont want him speaking to my kids"
Republicans are not even giving him a chance to suceed, AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, you know who you are. Give the man a break and let him at least try.
To a/// GUY, I have done much research on the subject at hand, and there are always two sides to every story. Some people love the healthcare in canada. Austria and Germany are also two countries whom i have spoken with people from both of those countries and both agree that Austria and German have SUPERIOR healthcare then america. Dont fucking give in to the voices on talk radio "BRAINWASHING" you into thinking the Universal Healthcare is going to take away your current healthcare plan, Assign death panels to decide who must die and who shall live, and that your government will run your life. (more than it already does)
The Health care plan is not about taking away, its about giving every american the right to live a healthy life, investing in preventative healthcare, allowing for clinics to open that are all about preventative screening of cancers, and other diseases.
Socialised healthcare will only help those who are willing to let it. To the rest of you keep your overpriced healthcare. Just dont get sick, you wont be covered.

[The 92 Laser]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Socialised healthcare will only help those who are willing to let it. To the rest of you keep your overpriced healthcare. Just dont get sick, you wont be covered.

First word: Socialised-ed+M=...........Socialism!!!!!

here is a link just in cause you need an explanation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Also Im deployed right now and it is a bitch to have anything taken care of in a timely manner when the government is running the show.

Ross

[polishmafia]

Originally Posted by tpunx99GSX

Republicans are not even giving him a chance to suceed, AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, you know who you are. Give the man a break and let him at least try.

At least let HIM try? This is America, for the people, by the people - NOT what he wants.

Republicans are not giving him a chance to succeed because they know that the people out there that work hard and make an honest living (the majority of Americans, by the way) do not want this "socialized" (as you described it) healthcare.

[Kracka]

Originally Posted by FattyBoomBatty

Government control of the roads and highways isn't so bad, you all seem to like it fairly well.

Think again. Compare a toll road to (paid for by tolls rather than taxes so if anything its actually costing you less to drive on) to lets say Hwy 169 for example. One on smooth and generally free-flowing, the other is rough and backs up quite often; I'll let you figure out which is which. Our road system here is a nightmare compared to a lot of other areas of the country and MNDOT always seems to be one step behind when it comes to updates/expansions. Enough said.

[goodhart]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Think again. Compare a toll road to (paid for by tolls rather than taxes so if anything its actually costing you less to drive on) to lets say Hwy 169 for example. One on smooth and generally free-flowing, the other is rough and backs up quite often; I'll let you figure out which is which. Our road system here is a nightmare compared to a lot of other areas of the country and MNDOT always seems to be one step behind when it comes to updates/expansions. Enough said.

St. Cloud would be a great example of how well MN DOT is one step behind, this city is a fucking nightmare traffic wise. It takes me 20 minutes to get to the grocery store thats about 2 miles away.

[4seasons69]

Originally Posted by goodhart

St. Cloud would be a great example of how well MN DOT is one step behind, this city is a fucking nightmare traffic wise. It takes me 20 minutes to get to the grocery store thats about 2 miles away.

I agree. my gf goes to school up there so I'm up there all the time and it definitely is a nightmare to try and get around. plus how long have they been working on the 23 bridge?

[john]

Originally Posted by Kracka

Think again. Compare a toll road to (paid for by tolls rather than taxes so if anything its actually costing you less to drive on) to lets say Hwy 169 for example. One on smooth and generally free-flowing, the other is rough and backs up quite often; I'll let you figure out which is which. Our road system here is a nightmare compared to a lot of other areas of the country and MNDOT always seems to be one step behind when it comes to updates/expansions. Enough said.

So in MN you want to try and compare HWY 169 with 2 lanes to 394 with 3 lanes, one being a carpool/toll?? I think that is a pretty bad comparison. I don't have a problem with the roads. Obviously Mndot has to prioritize so they will fix a busy road like HWY 169 before a road out in St. Cloud. Simple cost/benefit approach.

I would like to argue in this thread in regards to the health care battle but like most of you, I do not know enough about it where I should be spouting my opinion off as fact. Just because Obama is pushing for this doesn't mean it is going to happen. Last I checked the president couldn't write and sign legislation into law. I have a feeling that most of the people who argue politics on here have no idea what is going on. They hear their parents or friends talk down on the plan (or other issues) and think that it is the best side of the story. MN is a democratic state, Obama won the election, deal with it.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by john

MN is a democratic state, Obama won the election, deal with it.

Nobody except you and Tom are talking about Obama. The topic is about Socialist health care, not Obama.

He is not the 1st to try and push this kind of stuff through the system. I just dont want the Guberment (any party or branch) having thier hands in my health. Period

[john]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

Nobody except you and Tom are talking about Obama. The topic is about Socialist health care, not Obama.

Go back to page 1, hit Ctrl + F and search for Obama. First you will notice that the first post by Joesushi mentions him, then you will see it on posts by:

Matt D
Tom
A/// Guy
Fattyboombatty
Halon

That is just PAGE 1. You can go through the other pages if you like but it is not just Tom and I talking about Obama.

[joesushi]

Originally Posted by 1QUICK4

Nobody except you and Tom are talking about Obama. The topic is about Socialist health care, not Obama

Want to sit outside my pharmacy and take away kids' MA cards before they can use them? But here's the catch... you gotta call them communist right after.

[NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE]

Anyone watch his speech tonight? It was too much for one guy at work to watch, it was funny. But seriously, check out these rockin' quotes!

Obama also defended his proposal for government-run public health insurance as an option for consumers, saying it would force private insurers to lower costs. However, he called the provision one alternative for increasing competition for health insurance and signaled his openness to alternatives.

He's not dead set like a stampede for a full government option. He's not some close minded.....................


republican, well a god damn majority of em'

"Let me be clear... it would only be an option for those who don't have insurance," "No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5 percent of Americans would sign up."

Wow, that'd really shut down insurance companies that don't even have the 3-5% of uninsured Americans that would be able to afford a public option.

Oh fuck that 5% means Socialism wins!!!

"I will not back down on the basic principle that if Americans can't find affordable coverage, we will provide you with a choice."

There is nothing bad about this, I don't care what you think? Why can't the most bad-ass fucking balling out of control rich nation afford to insure it's own people? Yes, other nation's ways of doing may be flawed, but they do it.

Regardless of what anyone's views are, in the end, this whole ridiculous "health care reform war of ultimate strife" is to just plainly lower health care costs and get rid of all the absolute nonsense in the system now. Things can always be improved upon, like Evo's. Think of it as adding a 3" exhaust or a huge fuckin' 600mm turbo.

And if anyone thinks the government's hands are gonna be all up in yo insurance business, the fucking insurance company is already in yo business. They tell you who to see, when to see them, where they are, or whatever they do (I have never had insurance so I don't know the personal experiences with it) and what's so bad about the government saying that? It's kinda like switching companies.

I do however 100% disagree with Obama wanting it law that you have health insurance, like having car insurance in most states. Obviously taxes will increase to support a public option, but if my taxes go up then fuck having it be law that I buy a plan or whatever when I'm already paying in with taxes. That's like it'd be illegal to be alive almost.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE

"Let me be clear... it would only be an option for those who don't have insurance," "No one would be forced to choose it, and it would not impact those of you who already have insurance. In fact, based on Congressional Budget Office estimates, we believe that less than 5 percent of Americans would sign up."

How is not going to effect me? Who is going to pay for it?

There are already programs in place for the uninsured.

[1QUICK4]

Originally Posted by NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE

And if anyone thinks the government's hands are gonna be all up in yo insurance business, the fucking insurance company is already in yo business. They tell you who to see, when to see them, where they are, or whatever they do (I have never had insurance so I don't know the personal experiences with it) and what's so bad about the government saying that?

I have never had a problem going where I want and going when I wanted to. If anybody else on here has well then they can chime in If you have no experience in a feild it's best not to make assumptions.

As far as what's so bad about the government stepping in. At least all my insurance company's out of the many I've gone through over the years have run a pretty well organized buisness. They stick within thier budget and are very efficient at what they do. Something I've never seen the Government do in my lifetime.

Originally Posted by NOT THE BLUE LAMPSHADE

Hmmmmm... a public option? Hmmmmmmm..... taxes! Unfortuantely...

Then I guess it does effect me

[doublej]

Having died twice already I can say I'm greatfull that I had care through my company and not the goverment. People are coming here from Canada to get treated because of the wait!!! Oh I love crusing in my remix eclipse thought I would talk about cars just because.

DoubleJ

[Goat Blower]

My wife just had a baby three weeks ago, and it couldn't have been a better experience as far as healthcare is concerned. As is every visit I've had for years and years. The system right now works perfectly well for those who work for a living and pay the costs. Could we make it less expensive for everyone? Absolutely, start by opening it up countrywide instead of just within individual states, take away regulation that says insurers have to cover abortions and all the other BS that only a very few people need, then get some real tort reform so doctors can do their job instead of waiting for the next welfare recipient to try and get rich by suing a doctor. This really isn't that hard, and to try and completely revamp a system which already works great for 95% of America is just plain stupid. If you want to pay the healthcare premiums for illegal aliens, sign right up on the dotted line. Personally, I'd rather just pay for my family's needs.

Oh, and the stuff about that he's trying to reach out to Republicans? Try opening a newspaper and read up on how Pelosi and Reid wanted to ramrod this healthcare plan through before summer session and also trying to rebuff the constitution and push it through without the proper amount of votes. Reaching out, my ass. Reaching around maybe. They're all in bed together.

[s1ngletracker]

Originally Posted by Goat Blower

My wife just had a baby three weeks ago....

Only intelligent thing I've heard in this thread, couldn't have said it better myself. The QUALITY of our healthcare is actually some of the best in the world. Its our payer system that sucks, as well as just the cost of healthcare. That can be fixed without 50%+ income tax and a crappy system that the gov't tries to implement. However, it will be incremental. It'll start with a gov't payer option, and the option to use your own payer. But if some people in gov't had their way, eventually it would be the only payer... 1 payer system.

Oh, and about the Obama visiting schools thing. He's trying to push curriculum through (which the federal gov't is NOT empowered to do) that asks questions like, "In what way does President Obama inspire you?" If you can't see that as propaganda, then I'm sorry.

[BLaCk_1cE]

^win.

[4seasons69]

Originally Posted by BLaCk_1cE

^win.

x2.

[EclipseGST]

Originally Posted by 4seasons69

x2.

x3...

and congrats on the baby Steve!